I'm here to defend Kris Murray, at least a little bit. He will never be the player Keegan is; he doesn't have the same instincts, footwork or touch, and he has always been too left hand dominant. Keegan also is just basketball obsessed, while Kris has never seemed quite as serious. The age thing is somewhat valid, but you're not taking into account that the twins were extreme late bloomers. Google image search a picture of them as seniors at Cedar Rapids Prairie; at age 18 they looked like 15 year olds. At Iowa, Fran didn't play Keegan enough his freshman year when he was clearly the best option at forward, instead opting to give his sons a combined 40 min/g. The next year, Kris was clearly the second most talented player on the team, but again Fran had to get his kids in 40+ min/g. It was absolutely infuriating.
That said, I do agree that I wouldn't take him where he is currently projected in round 1. If you're drafting him expecting to get Keegan, you will be disappointed.
I get the argument, it's just that for a future NBA player you end up getting underplayed like Keegan as opposed to not getting played at all like Kris. There may not be a whole lot of wiggle room between Keegan and replacement level to but a poor man's Keegan but still good.
And being late bloomer is a red flag. I want the old guys who hit the ground running to start their NCAA careers like Jaquez and Pickett
How late would you take one of the Thompsons? Would they be worth the 30th pick? The 15th? the 45th? Obviously it's irrelevant since someone's going to fuck up and take them top 10 but curious what you think.
Thank you for being the only sane person to acknowledge that ranking Lundy over Pickett is insane, given who drove that bus last year
I'm here to defend Kris Murray, at least a little bit. He will never be the player Keegan is; he doesn't have the same instincts, footwork or touch, and he has always been too left hand dominant. Keegan also is just basketball obsessed, while Kris has never seemed quite as serious. The age thing is somewhat valid, but you're not taking into account that the twins were extreme late bloomers. Google image search a picture of them as seniors at Cedar Rapids Prairie; at age 18 they looked like 15 year olds. At Iowa, Fran didn't play Keegan enough his freshman year when he was clearly the best option at forward, instead opting to give his sons a combined 40 min/g. The next year, Kris was clearly the second most talented player on the team, but again Fran had to get his kids in 40+ min/g. It was absolutely infuriating.
That said, I do agree that I wouldn't take him where he is currently projected in round 1. If you're drafting him expecting to get Keegan, you will be disappointed.
I get the argument, it's just that for a future NBA player you end up getting underplayed like Keegan as opposed to not getting played at all like Kris. There may not be a whole lot of wiggle room between Keegan and replacement level to but a poor man's Keegan but still good.
And being late bloomer is a red flag. I want the old guys who hit the ground running to start their NCAA careers like Jaquez and Pickett
How late would you take one of the Thompsons? Would they be worth the 30th pick? The 15th? the 45th? Obviously it's irrelevant since someone's going to fuck up and take them top 10 but curious what you think.
Im not too sure. Maybe 20s if i had to venture a blind guess. But they are so impossibly difficult to value it cannot be answered with confidence